Verification of 3 New Palms

[Be3G]

Sounds like the Tungsten|E will be perfect for you then... for its price, I can't imagine it having wireless in at all...

Thomas

[burtba]

Originally posted by Rambler
There are already combined BT/WiFi devices available (PPC), and some are coming to the market Sony's UX50), so they can co-exist.

Yes of course you can have them in the same device??!!?? You can have any combination of technologies in any device. But they DO NOT work together. TOTALLY SEPERATE

And they are indeed different technologies, but are mainly used for the same applications...
[/B]

Say What ??!!?? WiFi was developed, and is being used worldwide as a medium for networking. Bluetooth does not allow networking.

BT is used to replace a 'short' cable.

WiFi is used along side and/or to replace networking datalines. And a cheaper alternative to setting up/expanding a network within a certain range.

Hey look, lets not argue, I think were both on the same line here anyway. We all realise they each have their place, and for the uneducated, we need to educate them so they buy the 'right tool for the right job'.

[klw]

Bluetooth can indeed be used for networking. Although not as direct as WiFi, there are two profiles that are designed to accomplish networking over BT: the Network Access profile found on our TT's and the Network Host profile found in BT access points and BT phones that have data capabilities.

[burtba]

Well, yes ok you got me there.

Anyway, why are we talking abouth this, there is 0.00% chance the TT3 will have WiFi, and there 100% chance the TT3 will have Bluetooth

[palmfetish]

Originally posted by klw
Bluetooth can indeed be used for networking.

True. BT fits the very definition of a network.

[burtba]

Originally posted by palmfetish
True. BT fits the very definition of a network.

Thats not true; BT Does NOT contain any security features or multiplexing features that are paramount for a network.

I am talking about a 'real network'. Not a so called PAN, which is all that is setup with BT. With BT, only two devices can talk to each other at any one time. As apposed to a WiFi server which will communicate just as true corporate network.

[palmfetish]

Originally posted by burtba
Thats not true; BT Does NOT contain any security features or multiplexing features that are paramount for a network.

1. How would you rate BT's inherent security against WiFi w/o the frills (WEP, etc.)?
2. Network:Def 1 Def 2 Def 3

I am talking about a 'real network'. Not a so called PAN...

'Real,' like everything else, is relative, and the last time I checked, the 'N' in 'PAN' still meant 'network.'

With BT, only two devices can talk to each other at any one time.

What about a BT dongle that can handle 7 devices simultaneously? Or a BT access point? Or the coming routers w/ both BT and WIFi embedded?

As apposed to a WiFi server which will communicate just as true corporate network.

Have you ever seen a 'corporate network' without a server? If yes, did that fact make it a false, untrue or pseudo corp network?

I think the problem here is that we're not keeping things simple.
By definition, a network (whether it relates to computers or businesses or people), is a simple link between at least two, that serves a function (the function can be defined as whatever). Size/complexity does not matter - you would still have a network.

The things you mentioned arent so much a limitation of the protocol itself, as it can find endless uses. They're tied in to the profiles that define what they can and can not do. Change the profile/stacks and you change the capabilities (maybe somewhat like great hardware driven by crappy drivers).
I think right now its an infancy and needs issue. Just my thoughts.

[andrewonawall]

Originally posted by sjweise
I am sure there are many users of PDAs like me who have no need or access to bluetooth or Wifi who want to upgarde.......but why should I pay extra for wireless when I'll never use it?

I agree you shouldn't pay for what you don't want. I guess they decided that the majority of those who will upgrade want integrated Bluetooth. I think that the reasoning behind the Bluetooth is for add-on peripherals and a wireless net connection. But if there is SDIO (which is improving), why the Bluetooth? I think the actual price increase couldn't be more than five or ten bucks (to the manufacture), then the increase in consumer price is significant. Personally, I would rather have dual SDIO slots and I'll get the wireless option of my choosing.

[sjweise]

Originally posted by andrewonawall
I agree you shouldn't pay for what you don't want. I guess they decided that the majority of those who will upgrade want integrated Bluetooth. I think that the reasoning behind the Bluetooth is for add-on peripherals and a wireless net connection. But if there is SDIO (which is improving), why the Bluetooth? I think the actual price increase couldn't be more than five or ten bucks (to the manufacture), then the increase in consumer price is significant. Personally, I would rather have dual SDIO slots and I'll get the wireless option of my choosing.

Dual SDIO would be awesome! I suppose that the thought is that people who need the two slots need one for memory and one for expansion like BT, wifi etc. So they just ramp the hell out of internal. Isn't the T3 supposed to have 64mb of internal? Thats twice what T2 has, plus VG and its about the same price? And didn't Palm Source back before the TC came out announce it could do 128mb internal? I'd expect a TC like device with 64+mb to be coming.

[andrewonawall]

Originally posted by sjweise
So they just ramp the hell out of internal.

Not familiar with the term 'ramp' could you elaborate.

Isn't the T3 supposed to have 64mb of internal? Thats twice what T2 has, plus VG and its about the same price?

Yes, the T3 does have 64Mb of internal; however, only 51 is accessible by the user.

And didn't Palm Source back before the TC came out announce it could do 128mb internal? I'd expect a TC like device with 64+mb to be coming.

Yes, 128 Mb is possible. Tapave is coming out with a gaming landscape view device in about a month. There are two models, I believe one is at 32Mb RAM, while the other is 128Mb. It also has Bluetooth, but this one is supposed to be larger and has less buttons. This is supposed to come with an ATI Imageon 3D graphics acceleration chip that blows the doors off any handheld computer or gaming device to date. This graphic processor is also supposed to be a power hungry beast, which requires two lithium-ion batteries. Possibly too heavy??? I don't know if the two batteries equates to longer usage or if that is just what is needed to keep the thing running for an acceptable amount of time. It also sports stereo Yamaha audio. I think that I am leaning on this model right now, I like the sound of 128Mb. What would push me over the edge would be if it had double the battery life because of the dual batteries. Coming from a HandEra that I would charge once a week and while using for hours every day, I am not satisfied with current battery life. I may just wait for OS6 to arrive and stick with my current work horse.