So Symbian is NOT dead.

Discussion in 'Symbian' started by LandSurveyor, Mar 16, 2011.

  1. LandSurveyor

    LandSurveyor LandSurveyor

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  2. Antoine Wright

    Antoine Wright Neighborhood Mobilist Super Moderator

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    The dirty little secret is that people don't care about the OS, they care about style, apps, and costs.

    The N8 is a pentaband device, no way any carrier is letting that fly here. Makes it way too easy to jump ship.
     
  3. questionfear

    questionfear Google'd.

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    I don't think it's a dirty secret...people are attracted to style and apps. And Nokia had both at one point but didn't market the whole package well enough, and then fell behind on the style curve.

    Many people ask me if I have a "Droid phone" or a "Google phone" and go blank when you say "Android". They identify it by branding and known features.

    It's why I think this isn't quite a two horse race between iOS and Android YET...but it's going to be if RIM/WebOS/Windows Phone don't start gathering mindshare ASAP.
     
  4. LandSurveyor

    LandSurveyor LandSurveyor

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    Agreed. Show a consumer a nice-looking device that works (and hopefully has an attractive price) and they will be pleased. Most consumers will see "NOKIA" and be unconcerned with "Symbian."

    I think their fears about the pentaband part are unjustified. I went from AT&T to T-Mobile for what I considered good reasons and would be unlikely to go back. And where else (on GSM) could I go? Some small regional carrier - no such GSM carrier exists in my area. MVNO? They all use AT&T or T-Mobile anyway.

    Nokia kinda reminds me of Tiger Woods. You know he's still the same great golfer so why isn't he winning now? Nokia has everything they've ever had. What's missing?
     
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    I don't follow golf, but both Nokia and Tiger Woods have image issues. Nokia isn't known for being cutting edge or cool among the mainstream anymore. An 8mpx camera is exciting, but if it's attached to a phone that doesn't offer the same depth of experience as a phone with a 5mpx camera, then Nokia loses.

    The two biggest mistakes I think Nokia made:

    -Not nurturing the Ovi ecosystem properly. I know they tried, but it just didn't have the panache or the reputation that the iOS App Store or the Android Marketplace has...it should have been a higher priority.

    -Not moving fast enough at creating a decent iPhone competitor. I don't mean they needed to clone the iPhone running Symbian, but they spun their wheels on really pushing a touch version of Symbian, they should have slapped a decent capacitive screen on the N97, and they definitely should have put a better screen on the N900. Setting aside the "capacitive vs resistive" debate, not being able to go toe-to-toe with multitouch was a blow for features if nothing else.

    Remember, people are buying based on apps and features. Apple and Android do a very good job of saying "here, everything you need is in this one simple package. No need to run around to 15 websites to find the app you need, no need to struggle with installation issues, and look, we can do multitouch and navigation and all these other cool bells and whistles!" Nokia has all that, but it's more work for the average consumer to find out about that, and it's not as unified. For someone who's comparing and contrasting, they're looking for something that works well out of the box, and that's where Nokia didn't do a great job of presenting Symbian as an option.

    (Obviously, this all my opinion, and some of this is from my observations as well as my experience with the E71x, as well as browsing Nokia's flagship store in NYC a few years ago).
     
  6. SyncRaven

    SyncRaven Mobile Deity

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    Well, Palm also claimed that webOS was fine before they sold out too.. big companies that are struggling tend to flounder around in different directions, and unfortunately the damage to the Symbian image is pretty much done now. I would have reservations buying a high end symbian device now because I don't think the platform would have much future. If I already had a device I would be more likely to keep using it though. Considering they have laid off most of the Symbian specialists I can't see this being much more than just life support.
    They did say they plan to keep making low end symbian devices (aka s40 or the like) and I can see that.
     
  7. KSD

    KSD From 6 f under to zombie

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    webos is dead....just like windows xp is dead....some people still use it but its dead.

    EDIT: dont get me wrong....win7 is retarded....they moved things to retarded locations and it slows me down....i could find how to formate a drive fr the life of me. It was hidden like no other. Also the "instant" search is broken. I have a note pad file sitting on my D drive and it can't find it when i type in the file name or any part.....just stupid. When i get my computer back from RMA i am installing google desktop or something.
     
  8. LandSurveyor

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    I certainly hope WebOS isn't dead. HP is certainly taking their time with it though. After all, IOS is only for Apple products and is therefore limited. Android is probably the best choice for most now but still have its problems. RIM may have done themselves a favor by appropriating Android into their sphere. Competition is a good thing.

    I skipped Vista. I can skip W7 as well since they're already talking about 8. Nevertheless, I've decided to learn about Linux and the experience has been pretty positive so far.
     
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    I wouldn't say WebOS is dead like Windows XP, WebOS has a billion dollar company supporting it while XP has a billion dollar trying to make sure it goes into the history of desktop software.
     
  10. SGosnell

    SGosnell (retired) Palm Pilot

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    Symbian is dead, it just refuses to admit it. Windows should be dead, but Microsoft's marketing skills have kept it going for a long time. I abandoned it long ago, but some people don't know, or care, that alternatives exist. Marketing is everything.
     

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