Memory Loss still a HUGE Problem !!

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  1. Andriash

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    From the 1st day I received my 210, to today, the memory loss problem has rendered my iPAQ almost useless.:mad: I lose about 10% per day:eek: and the ONLY remedy I have found, is to completely remove both the SD and CF Cards. If I do that, my battery percentage will remain stable for days...no loss whatsoever, but then what good is the device without the Cards:confused:

    Has anyone who is also experiencing the memory loss problem come up with a fix yet? Has anyone heard anything from HP? I am back using my trusty old Palm TX, and although it is not as flashy as my 210, it works...and it works well.:newpalm: I love to tinker, and WM devices are great for that, but the 210 has unfortunately been a real disappointment for me.
     
  2. Genjinaro

    Genjinaro ~3rdPrty 4ehvur!~

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    Memory Loss? Is it Program memory (RAM) or the SD/CF memory thats depleting?

    What do you have installed?
     
  3. Andriash

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    I believe it to be Program memory, or RAM, and it will drop 10% per day if not more, and that is with the Unit turned off. Once I removed both the SD and CF Cards, that memory loss stopped. There has to be a problem somewhere in the circuitry, would 't you think? As for SD/CF memory loss, I am unsure exactly what you mean by that. Both cards show the amount of memory stated on the card, so I don't think they are the problem. Besides, I have changed out both the cards with different size cards, but that made to change to the memory loss from the Unit itself.

    As for Programs, I have SPB Mobile, SPB Diary, SPB Weather, some large medical databases, Splash ID, PhatNotes, Pocket Quicken, etc. Nothing too too big or unusual.
     
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    Are you really talking about memory or battery loss? I don't believe anyone has reported a memory loss before
     
  5. apmichael

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    Are you sure you are talking about memory loss? Or are you refering to battery power drain?

    Program memory will decrease and increase when programs are run and exited. Some programs use more memory than others and some may not release all the memory they use when exit. Again, pressing the cross at the upper right corner will not exit the program, it is just minimized. Usually, a soft reset will solve the low memory problem.

    If it is a power drain problem, you may read this for similar problem.
    http://forum.brighthand.com/showthread.php?t=254714
     
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    iLauncher is a must on any WM device. It allows you to properly close programs.
     
  7. davidbec

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    If the memory available is being reduced by 10% per day. It would suggest that a program you have running in the background is storing files in memory as it does it thing.

    Do some deep research of the programs that you have installed.
     
  8. Andriash

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    No, that is my BAD....:eek: I was referring to as extensive battery drain when both my SD and CF Cards are installed. I will read that thread you pointed to, so thank you. I can't believe that I kept referring to memory loss when all along I knew well enough it was battery drain. :eek:
     
  9. Andriash

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    I usually use Wisbar Advance 3 to allow me to properly close Programs,:newpalm: but my "battery drain" occurs regardless of what is running, and now, during my test, I have absolutely no Programs running, and as long I keep my SD and CF Card out, the battery drain is zero. The moment I put one or the other Card in, the battery drain begins with a vengeance. :mad:
     
  10. neillm

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    For the record, what make of cards do you have?
     
  11. Andriash

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    I have the Transcend 16 GB CF and a Sandisk 8BG SDHC Card. I am embarassed to say, but one thing I noticed this morning before I left for work, was that I had about 7 Programs still running on my iPAQ...could not believe that.:eek: I have not yet installed Wisbar Advance to automatically and properly close Programs, so for now I stopped all running programs with 38% remaining. I also put both Cards back in my 210 and will see what the battery percentage is when I get home tonight.

    I will be really embarassed if the running Programs turns out to be the problem all along.:eek: :newpalm:
     
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    It has been reported here and elsewhere that the IPAQ 210 drains the battery over time once a CF card is in the slot.
     
  13. Andriash

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    Well, I took a look at my 210 this evening and it is now down to 32% from 38% this morning, and that is with all running programs closed and the Unit turned off. I have the CF Card in sleep mode, and still I am seeing this kind of battery loss. This is the very first device I've owned that behaves this way, and it really is totally unacceptable.

    I will post on the HP Forums, and unless HP comes through with a resolve for this problem, this will be the last iPAQ I will ever buy. They knew about this problem before they made the devices available to the public...they had to know, and they still allowed it.
     
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    I performed a hard reset on my iPAQ to carry out a few experiments.
    With nothing installed, and both an SDHC and CF card plugged in, my 214 loses about 16% of its charge in 12 hours. So, if I leave it to one side, the battery will be flat within 3 days.
    This is a serious flaw. I only use CF cards for the occasional transfer but wouldn't want to be without one.
    I've taken the CF card out and will see what happens now. I'm convinced that the power drain continues after the card has been removed; it seems that a charge doesn't last as long, but I might be imagining this.
     
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    My CF-card has less battery drain with energy saving option for CF-cards switched off (nearly 0%) than with this option on (1% per hour). Give it a try!
     
  16. davidbec

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    The problem with the IPAQ and the CF cards has already been checked, tested and verified.

    The brighthand discussion is here.
    http://forum.brighthand.com/showthread.php?t=257086

    I think we are at the stage of determining whether the problem varies depending on the brand of card you have. But there is no denying that there is a problem.
     
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    Not wishing to pour petrol on the fire here, but the CF interface is also 4x slower than the SD interface. It's real slow. All in all the CF slot is a bit of a botch IMHO.

    Top tip - do not put your map files or videos onto the CF card. I use Memory Map and when I had the map files on the CF card it was just painful. I had to buy a large SD card and move them onto that.

    Music is okay on CF though, although tasks such as media library building is slow.
     
  18. fexfx

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    I have seen this reported many times. However I have also seen that not all CF cards cause this drain.

    Mine for example is a Sandisk 4gb CF Ultra II. 0% drain.
    Also I believe the wording on the Sleep mode power function is a bit dodgy...
    "Set CF Card Power in sleep mode"
    on
    off

    The way I read it is that if this is set to "off" then you are setting the CF Card power to Off while in sleep mode...that would result in less to no battery drain, while setting it to "on" would mean that in sleep mode there was power being supplied to the card.

    I have seen many people report this setting as an " energy saving option " that you turn on or off...which seems to be causing quite a bit of confusion...The way I've been seeing people describe this time and again makes it sound like if you set this setting to "on" you are turning on Power saving...when in fact I have to insist that the opposite is true...
     
  19. GloryQuest

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    I hadn't thought about the fact that it could be read both ways. I've had mine set to "off" because that's how I understood it, too. However, to be sure, I tested mine.

    With it "on" and my Adata 266X Turbo 4GB CF card inserted, I had a power drain of 8% over 8 hours (1% an hour). With it "off" and the card inserted, I had a power drain of 6% over 10 hours (0.6% an hour).

    Both times, I left it alone and had no programs running.

    With the CF card out, I don't have any power drain on my 210.
     
  20. speedy1979

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    I second that. I performed a benchmark test with sktools the write speed was only 344kb/s.
    And I am using a Transend 8 GB 133X CF Card.

    Sad!
     
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