Tyro, welcome to the other side. I am sure I speak for others here, in saying we will treat you with the same disrespect we do others Regarding some comments in the thread about lost info, well, we have the brain power here, so anything missing can surely be re-created. I am sure when new offerings are put out by garmin, there will be a whole slew of questions from all anyway! I haven't been banned over there (yet), maybe cause I'm a nicer guy than Bokkie. (his wife says so) But then again I have purposely kept my curiousity moderated, to keep from pushing their visit count up. I wonder what their advertisers are saying, since they bought ad space based on traffic count, and now are seeing the traffic count WAY down!