Brighthand or darkhand? Passion or Addiction? A personal confession

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  1. Don't Panic!

    Don't Panic! Mostly Harmless

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    You're thinking like me. :D

    I believe in netiquette. A post of the philosophical nature like leifh/plantir_danger's belongs in a general discussion forum.

    Over at where I moderate we have a forum analogous to the General Discussion forum here at Brighthand, It's called Open Forum.

    I believe that if Leif had posted to that forum he would not have met with the frosty response he received.

    leifh-Great job of editing! Without the quote of the link in my Moderators Comments: at the other site I do sound shall we say intolerant.

    Just for the record, PPcP is non denominational. ;)

    Don't Panic!
    Bobby
     
  2. ktdan1

    ktdan1 Mobile Deity

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    Here Here!!!!!!!!.

    Also Non polictical!;)
     
  3. leifh

    leifh Mobile Consultant

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    Tritan, I don't know what 'book' you are talking about, but if you're talking about my paper, I really don't care if anyone here reads it. Sure I was warm-and-fuzzified to find that a couple of people actually read it, and gave some good feedback at that, but its far from expected.

    Don't Panic, you'll notice that I actually *did* say that you kindly wished me good luck and provided a link to this forum. I cut the actual link out so as to not get these forums in a silly loop, wasting time and getting us off tangent. Sorry you felt that was a wrong decision. (As for the "non-denominational" correction, my 'evangelical christian' comment was not reffering to the whole site but was referring to the homepage's link to 'whats my true passion', the theology of which is right in step with evangelical christianiaty...the 'camp' I used to consider my primary home, so its v. familiar to me, seeing as I am graduating from Regent College -a "non-denom" though very evangelical Christian graduate school of theology).

    As for posting my latest poem-memoir-thingy, I am realizing now that that was a mistake --it was too long (and that WAS really obnoxious of you to re-post the whole thing Tritan, please opt now to edit it out), it was more personal than necessary for this medium, and when read by itself puts too much emphasis on the pornography issue (which is one that actually hasn't been an issue for me for a few years). I'd edit it out now if it wasn't for Tritan's snip. I did think that it might be interesting for some people as it highlights some key images/experiences in my life with tech --pro and con --that others might resonate with...particularly those who are unafraid of emotions, sharing on a more personal level, or who are wanting to look at this issue of the dangers of technologies.

    Lastly, Fil --sure *one* of the things I was looking for was connecting with people who understand these issues/struggles and who want to make mature decisions about how they steward technology (thus I *am* 'blessed' by Gerard --who seems a very thoughtful, responsible, interesting person), but that was not the only reason I posted.

    "I?m sure eventually Leifh will resign to take these thoughts off-line, where it ultimately belongs and where it is the root cause of this entire thread?his lack of personal courage/free will/addiction to live his life without the technology, to have the technology disrupt/consume his life, and to damage his personal relationships." (Fil)

    I'm sure I'll take them offline as well, for this thread hopefully wont go on forever...but I also believe that this thread has provided many good things already: challenging many different positions, exposing us to different points of view, stimulating good thinking, perhaps giving some of us the first chance to actually wonder if our PDA is more of a curse than a blessing (I simply said *to wonder*), and who knows what other good may have come from this thread (especially for those just lurking).

    Do I lack courage --of course, and I want to be more courageous. Is my free-will effected by various influences --of course, and I want to try and understand and take on those influences. Am I addicted? That is a question I'm trying to ask and explore.
    If the concept of 'addiction' exists at all --I imagine one can be addicted to anything (see the book "Grace & Addiction" which shows the psychological/neurological/spiritual roots of addiction). Personally, I think my (all ours, really) 'addiction' is deeper than technology --its just that it goes through periods in which my tech toys are the thing I most often turn to/use to have a sense of control, escape from pain, etc.


    You know, I was thinking last night how funny our caricature's of each other probably are. You probably imagine me as some young guy who lives in the city, spends hours and hours online, on my pda, struggling with pornography, etc. I actually live on an island, on 20 beautiful acres with my wife and cat and soon to be first child, I am currently only using my computer to check email, post on this board, and to type my Master's Thesis (prob. 1-2 hrs a day), I use my PDA off and on throughout the day --its just that its always there with me and I'm frequently tempted to escape into it....this is the part that I don't like and am primarily assessing in my life.

    I was going to share how I imagined you guys, particularly the ones who have provided the most challenges/critiques, but I think that my assumptions are likely as far off as yours probably are about me.

    To those of you just joining in, if this topic interests you but the catch-up intimidates you --I would advise just reading the first page or two, then skipping all the personal drama, continuing the dialogue on here...

    Cheer,
    Leif
     
  4. pixelator

    pixelator Glow in the Dark Version

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    Originally posted by santori1
    I believe that porn is hurtful to women, and to the ways men interact with women. There are a great deal of websites that give clear evidence to this.

    I've also heard that getting up on a really high pedestal puts you in greater danger of being harmed by a fall.

    What about women viewing porn? Gay male porn? Cartoon porn? I have to say, I've dated several women who had what I call a healthy view of sexuality and porn. They enjoyed life and intimacy quite a bit and were very happy and super well adjusted (two of them were moms). You wouldn't get far telling them that porn hurt them.

    Maybe visiting here might clear some things up for you ppdes. I don't expect you to see things my way, but a truly intelligent debater investigates both sides of the argument:D

    Except when it's fabricated, blatant religious mind-control propaganda. Far more insidious and destructive than Debbie Does Dallas ever was..!

    Hate speech is also harmful. I am not saying that anyone that does engage in that activity needs to be silenced. I am just saying that it can be harmful to weak minded unsupervised children. Luckily, if I choose not to hear it, or view it, I can tune out;)

    Getting up in the morning is harmful. Breathing is bad. Exposure to sun is dangerous. Guess what? DENIAL, CENSORSHIP and the overprotection/fetishlike worship of our CHILDREN is even worse. I'm with George Carlin on this one.

    Goodnight, and Elvis has left the building!

    And in keeping with the attempt to clarify some of this for you, let me be the first to bear the sad news that ELVIS IS INDEED DEAD.

    b
     
  5. yubakram

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    That's not true - I just saw Elvis and Jim Morrison in Berkley doing stand up poetry last night!
     
  6. voyagerxxx

    voyagerxxx PDA friendly

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    I I can completely understand leifh and Gerard.
    I myself feel sometimes in my the same things.
    I am sorry but I am too lazy to write to much and my English is terrible.
    So I want only to make sure that I contribute here with my sympathy with the topic and cannot understand why some people received this with in so aggressive way.
    I am sorry but all said here is so obvious to me. The good and bad about technology, addiction.
    I cannot see how somebody could thing this is so absurd and someone needs a doctor, etc.
    I am always question myself and time/addiction, good use of time and bad, etc.
    We can see here that many folks literally live here, and of course pass for the same inconvenient that leifh, Gerard, I...
    I could point out a list of people that possibly will fit in this list very well but would not be a good idea.
    :)
    So that is it. Good food for thought was given here and for many people (kids probably) very new.
     
  7. leifh

    leifh Mobile Consultant

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    (My first attempt to post didn't seem to go through)

    Thanks Voyager for your understanding, sympathy and honesty.
    I was quite surprised at many of the replies --the tone, the defensiveness, etc. but then on the other hand, I guess its not surprising seeing as it would be a touchy topic.

    I continue to struggle with this issue --in many ways it has gotten better, in some ways worse (I have a newborn now and I don't like how it can get in the way of our relationship sometimes, for example).

    Well, again, thanks for posting your reply.

    Cheers,
    Leifh
     
  8. pixelator

    pixelator Glow in the Dark Version

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    It's surprising that people are defensive of their personal and private freedoms?
     
  9. delfuhd

    delfuhd pants.

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    Great paper, good job!

    I've always enjoyed reading Tolkien, it was interesting to read this comparison towards The Ring trilogy!
     
  10. leifh

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    Thanks Delfuhd,
    I'm honored that you read it and happy that you liked it.
    Any specific details you found helpful or interesting? And do you resonate with the struggle, the concern with how tech is affecting us 'amusing oursleves to death', etc?

    Thanks,
    Leifh
     
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