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Old 01-27-2003, 10:51 AM   #1
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Arrow Sony Announces Mid-Range Handheld in Japan

As rumored, Sony has announced a mid-range model to replace the SJ30. The look of the SJ33 has been changed and it includes an MP3 player.

Read more about the SJ33 at http://www.brighthand.com/article/SJ...unced_in_Japan
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At $299 the SJ35 (I'm assuming that's what the US version will be called) should be VERY competitive. Sony is pushing more advanced functionality into lower priced hardware, on the toes of PPC. Just as it should be. Now....if we can just see what Sony has up its other sleeve.
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Typo: "no news on the SJ22 which is supposed to replace the SJ22"

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SJ35 (I'm assuming that's what the US version will be called)
I think Sony has given up naming its handhelds different things in different countries. Take a look at Sony's page in Japan and you'll see the products have the same names as the U.S. versions:
www.jp.sonystyle.com/peg/Store/Clie/index.html

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While I think this is a good product at a good price, I wonder if this leaves a hole in Sony's product line. Sony's replacement of the t655 line seems to leave a gap in the super-thin category, which I think is a very important segment, since the more I use my PDA the more I miss my Palm V.
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Sony's replacement of the t655 line seems to leave a gap in the super-thin category, which I think is a very important segment, since the more I use my PDA the more I miss my Palm V.
I've got bad news for you, Nate. When I was talking to my Sony Rep at CES, he said super-slim wasn't a category Sony is much interested in. It put out the T415 and it bombed. I know, it had a terrible screen, but Sony thinks it was more than that. It thinks users would rather have handhelds with lots of features, not ones that have minimal features but are small.
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It thinks users would rather have handhelds with lots of features, not ones that have minimal features but are small.
I'm not sure that all users would rather have lots of features, but I concur with their opinion on small handhelds with basic features. The "thin and light" category is no longer a luxury as it once was. Small form factor devices are now far more common, so it's no longer a quality that vendors can charge top dollar for. The age of expensive basic organizers is over, the Zire is proof of that. More functionality will continue to expand and test the limits of PDAs. Sony is in an excellent position right now.
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The "thin and light" category is no longer a luxury as it once was.
It's not a matter of whether it's a luxury or not, but whether there's a demand for it or not, and also how think-and-light you have to be to satisfy that market.

For the first point, assuming there *is* a demand for devices smaller and lighter than the SJ30, it won't go away just because there's more lightweight devices available. It just means that someone else (can you say "HP"?) is going to get that part of the market instead.

For the second, well, the SJ30 is pretty compact already... and it's not as if someone looking for a thin-and-light device is going to reject everything but the absolutely smallest thing on the market. In other words, the market is quantized.

There's the subnotebook range that the newton and clamshells and the smallest notebooks fit into, things you can toss into a briefcase without making special arrangements for them, or that you can carry on your belt without difficulty.

There's the belt-and-big pocket range, that you can carry on your belt or in your Mobile Pants. The first generation of the Pocket PC (except the Jornada) fit in that range, as does the Sony N series.

There's the jeans-or-slacks-pocket range. Jornada, Palm III, Visor, some of the Toshibas.

There's the shirt-pocket-or-doesnt-ruin-the-lines-of-my-slacks
range. Most Clies, Treos, Visor Edge, and other small-but-not-ultrasmall models.

Finally, there's the ones you can stick in your shirt pocket without ruining the lines of the shirt. That's the ultrathin range. The question is, is there (or was there) enough demand for that size? There's obviously some demand, but I don't think it's nearly as critical as some people think. So long as you hit the shirt pocket target you're fine, and I suspect the existing Clies are close enough for the job (with the exception, of course, of the huge N series).

So I don't think there's any question of whether you can charge more for a smaller device (or not charge as much for a larger one). The question is just how small you need to be. The anser seems to be, there's a limit to it, until the next stage is reached.

Where's the next stage? Fossil thinks it's wristwatches. Royal thinks it's credit cards. I suspect they're both partly right... the target is going to be something that you can carry with your credit cards and cash in a case that doesn't ruin the lines of your slacks.

You know, the Zire's cheap enough now I could see Coach or Fossil or someone selling a wallet with a sewn-in Zire, to try and hit that market.
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As rumored, Sony has announced a mid-range model to replace the SJ30.
I still think it looks more like a replacement for the low end T series, and the SJ22, when it comes out, will be more like the current SJ30. This leaves a gap in the line between the SJ33 and the NX60, and I think they will come out with a new T-style device with an ARM processor, but otherwise basically the same as the existing Ts, in the high 300s.
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You just agreed with my point, then gave a counterpoint?
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