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Old 08-15-2004, 01:24 PM   #1
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Arrow Roadtrip with a Dell GPS Navigation System

Brighthand's Editor-in-Chief takes one of Dell's latest accessories for a real "road test."

Read more at http://www.brighthand.com/article/De...eview?site=PPC
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Old 08-15-2004, 01:32 PM   #2
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p.s. In case anyone has been wondering why Brighthand has been updated somewhat sporadically lately, I hope you understand why now. Every hard-working editor needs a vacation every now and then.
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Here Here! Ed. I loved the review. I just purchased a X30 and find myself getting lost everywhere here in the East....I used to live in GA (Roswell) myself and getting around in someways was much easier since every darn street was peachtree something or another....but it would have been nice to have back then for my trips back to the midwest. I know what that is like.

would I need mapopolis to use this? I do use it now.
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Hi Ed,
I was a little worried about the site updates. But I agree about the vacation. Who knows what the articles will start looking like if you don't give the brain a break.


Will the GPS receiver work with other PDAs. I currently own a 2215 and am still not sure what my next one will be.

Also, how do the maps compare to others like Mapoplis. How about the features when you are not using the GPS?
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I'm kind of interested in other map packages as well. I've been a GPS user for about 2 years now, but Tom Tom does not offer a trial (that I could easily find, maybe I should look again), and Mapopolis still does not support anything larger than 320x320. The software that came with the Navman GPS 500 from RandMcNally does not work with GPS on OS5 devices, which renders it useless in my eyes. OS5 is too hard for them to figure out. The Mapopolis crew had their package working in a few days... guess the are just sharper . I've been looking at the BT GPS units, as I've had my current unit through 4 handhelds. However, it works well, gets 10 hours on a pair of AAA's, and it is well suited for field use (I had to use it on rooftops for long range wireless projects).
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Old 08-16-2004, 11:31 AM   #6
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Let's be real folks. PDA GPS navigation is a marginal solution.

Ed you gave us some hightlights - but the real GPS limitations were not really mentioned.

Before I start, I'll mention that I have had PDA GPS since 1999 on a Palm III. I currently have a BT GPS setup with a PPC and have tried most available software programs.

I have yet to find a reasonable PDA "Navigation" Solution. Many systems are good to very good at pin-pointing my "static location". They can tell me where I am right now and when I can go from here. But "navigation" requires telling me:

- how to get where I want to go
- when I am off course and how to get back
- adjust ad-hoc to variations to my route.

To me, a navigation solution must be measured against the following standard: A human passenger who knows where they are right now and then gives me directions from an "old fashioned" paper map.

Sorry but no such PDA GPS solution currently exists. Each comes up short when you start moving. It is like using a peep-hole viewer to follow a map held by someone on the other side of an apartment door.

Ed, you mentioned - but did not elaborate on: automated systems rarely offer the "right " route. You have to "know" what the right route is. And what if I take a side-trip? I have yet to find a system that recovers as well as my passenger holding a gas station map.

Other *real limitations*:

1. PDA GPS suffers from overly-tedious route and way-point entry procedures.

2. Try heading SSW -> SSE -> S -> E. PDA maps have a very limited field of view. If you are not heading North, maps are hard to follow particularly as they rapidly change their limited range perspective. (even more homorous -> some only show North-facing maps and require you to actually perfrom 3D mirror transformations in your head).

3. Zoom out to get a larger perspective. Easy with a paper map. On a PDA you get something like:

..... *Omaha ..... . . . *Atlantic Cit

*LA

Zoom in to read street name(s). Your current position scrolls off the screen in 3 seconds!!! How come no one mentions this?

4. Voice directions? What's that? I can't hear you. Oops. I missed that turn.

5. Software? Still "Early adopter" quality. Many Bad UI elements - and questionable features.

Hey! How about an objective assessment of PDA GPS:

1. It is great for finding your current location (i.e., where am I right now?).

2. Pretty good for walking around (except in NYC where buildings make GPS more or less useless).

3. Bad for real world navigation in a moving car. Worse if you don't have a co-pilot.

BTW: If anyone can make PDA GPS work - congratulations. Your efforts are to be commended. The average cell phone user will not be happy with PDA GPS in its current form. If these people can't make PDA GPS work, then PDA GPS will not succeed.
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I have the TomTom Bluetooth GPS that I use with my T|3. Its great! Accurate maps, voice prompts, points of interest all are fantastic.
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Old 08-16-2004, 02:45 PM   #8
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Jack, I can probably address some of your points. I assume from your post that you must prefer paper maps. That's fine with me, as I can pick off what I need from a paper map almost instantly. I can't imagine you prefering standalone GPS units, as the potential problems mentioned are only worse. There are a number of software apps that have problems exactly as you describe. One package required that you ask for directions by using a desktop PC with an active internet connection, then told me to drive around the block to get to the house next door! It was so bad I almost died laughing.

I now use Mapopolis Navigator, which will tell me;

- how to get where I want to go
- when I am off course and how to get back
- adjust ad-hoc to variations to my route.

It should be noted that it usually has route correction done before I get to the end of the block after missing a turn (usually due to construction or accidents). That includes getting me back on the right road. A full route mapping takes less than ten seconds, reroutes take about three seconds.

In regards to your peep-hole analogy, perhaps you should use a higher resolution device? I can read the street names from a couple feet away, and the streets are easily understood from the back seat. Then again, screen quality and resolution probably play a part.

Mapopolis also deals with most of your other points:
1. Tap Menu, then Find and write the first couple letters of any address book or map landmark. Not as good as "Knowing" were it is, but you can't do that with paper. Besides, if you know where it's at already, you don't need the map OR the GPS

2. Auto-rotate. I hate doing the transformations just like you. If a GPS can't to it, then I don't bother. Strangely enough, the nav system in the new Chrysler Hemi C has non-rotate as the default setting. Go figure!

3. Mapopolis takes over the hard buttons for Zoom, Pan, Detail, and Navigate On/Off. Zoom is instant with 16 levels. If you also want to scroll around while the GPS is active, that is fine; it will let you scroll anywhere, then re-center the GPS marker when you quit playing around. I won't mention the current position scrolling off the map... does not happen with auto-scroll.

4. Can't hear voice directions? Depends on your device and software. I turn it off because it is too stinkin' loud! The kids ask me to turn it off after a while during city driving becaues it gets annoying even for those in the third row. Don't have your MP3 player running in the background and plugged into the car stereo, that's just ASKING for trouble! However, if your combo delivers weak audio, voice prompts are of little use.

5. Agree for most apps. Even Mapopolis has a few UI quirks that don't make sense.


I guess which hardware/software combo you use can make it or break it. I spend a number of days every week on the road, and will have to go to a location only known as an address, and nobody cares where I happen to be when the email or page comes in. Since I already have a PDA for mail and such, it just made sense to add that extra functionality. Being able to enter only one address and hit "Generate Route" has worked very well for me.
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Quote:
Originally posted by JackAubrey
Let's be real folks. PDA GPS navigation is a marginal solution.

Ed you gave us some hightlights - but the real GPS limitations were not really mentioned.

Before I start, I'll mention that I have had PDA GPS since 1999 on a Palm III. I currently have a BT GPS setup with a PPC and have tried most available software programs.

I have yet to find a reasonable PDA "Navigation" Solution. Many systems are good to very good at pin-pointing my "static location". They can tell me where I am right now and when I can go from here. But "navigation" requires telling me:

- how to get where I want to go
- when I am off course and how to get back
- adjust ad-hoc to variations to my route.

To me, a navigation solution must be measured against the following standard: A human passenger who knows where they are right now and then gives me directions from an "old fashioned" paper map.

Sorry but no such PDA GPS solution currently exists. Each comes up short when you start moving. It is like using a peep-hole viewer to follow a map held by someone on the other side of an apartment door.

Ed, you mentioned - but did not elaborate on: automated systems rarely offer the "right " route. You have to "know" what the right route is. And what if I take a side-trip? I have yet to find a system that recovers as well as my passenger holding a gas station map.

Other *real limitations*:

1. PDA GPS suffers from overly-tedious route and way-point entry procedures.

2. Try heading SSW -> SSE -> S -> E. PDA maps have a very limited field of view. If you are not heading North, maps are hard to follow particularly as they rapidly change their limited range perspective. (even more homorous -> some only show North-facing maps and require you to actually perfrom 3D mirror transformations in your head).

3. Zoom out to get a larger perspective. Easy with a paper map. On a PDA you get something like:

..... *Omaha ..... . . . *Atlantic Cit

*LA

Zoom in to read street name(s). Your current position scrolls off the screen in 3 seconds!!! How come no one mentions this?

4. Voice directions? What's that? I can't hear you. Oops. I missed that turn.

5. Software? Still "Early adopter" quality. Many Bad UI elements - and questionable features.

Hey! How about an objective assessment of PDA GPS:

1. It is great for finding your current location (i.e., where am I right now?).

2. Pretty good for walking around (except in NYC where buildings make GPS more or less useless).

3. Bad for real world navigation in a moving car. Worse if you don't have a co-pilot.

BTW: If anyone can make PDA GPS work - congratulations. Your efforts are to be commended. The average cell phone user will not be happy with PDA GPS in its current form. If these people can't make PDA GPS work, then PDA GPS will not succeed.
You are so wrong. Methinks you doth protest too much. You'll be better served with paper maps.
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Ed, you mentioned - but did not elaborate on: automated systems rarely offer the "right " route. You have to "know" what the right route is. And what if I take a side-trip?
I'm not sure what you mean by the "right" route. Every route it ever gave me got me to where I wanted to go, which makes it the right route in my mind. It never did anything totally silly, like obviously send me the long way around. Routing software has gotten a lot better in recent years, and perhaps you had some bad experiences in the past. Don't let these color your opinions of the latest stuff.

With the Dell Navigation System, if you get off the current route (miss a turn, turn off to go to the gas station, etc.) the software will come up with an alternate route in a few seconds.

You also have the option of adding a side trip to your current route. Say you are heading to a distant city. You can add a side trip to a restaurant without canceling the original one.

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4. Voice directions? What's that? I can't hear you. Oops. I missed that turn.
The Dell Navigation System gives you a large icon on the screen that you can tap to replay audible directions. And, as I mentioned in the review, it gives you multiple warnings of upcoming streets. Plus, as I just said, if you miss a turn, it will give you a new route in a few seconds.

I found this GPS system to be easy to use and helpful. Your millage may vary. I don't think any GPS system is going to be as convenient as having someone sitting in the passenger seat who already knows the area you are in and the location of your destination. But this GPS system is infinitely easier than trying to thread your way through an unfamiliar city alone, trying to drive and read a map at the same time.
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